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Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
09.03.2010 at 21:36:17
 
Hi guys, now this is an easy one..
I have a 400 Cummins small cam.
After fitting brand new dash gauges on the weekend (because I guessed that the old ones were no good) I now find that the oil pressure and water temperature readings are vastly different to what the old gauges said.

1) Is engine oil pressure of 16lb @ 500rpm and 45lb @ 1500rpm OK? Oil is Penrite USA25 (25W60) with 3000km on it. This is how it sits all day after running big loads for a while., warmed up of course. Cold pressure is 65lb @ 600rpm, then drops as it warms. With 15W40 Castrol, the engine was noisy and the old gauge said 5lb. Are these new readings OK?

2) Engine temperature never varies above or below 88 degrees c, the sender unit is just below the thermostat so that would be the hottest part of the engine. It was 32 degress c here today and many times I had a full load lumbering all about the place, but it never ever gets hot. Is 88c too hot, too cold, or just right?

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Re: Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
Reply #1 - 09.03.2010 at 22:08:08
 
Sounds like it's running pretty much the same as my boss's SAR with a 400 Cummins    altho the temp on the SAR runs at a constant 80 degrees no matter what......due to the large radiator.
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Re: Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
Reply #2 - 09.03.2010 at 22:16:52
 
From what I have seen today Werk, I feel that it has an 88 degree thermostat in it - I'm just not sure if that is an appropriate temperature or not.
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Reply #3 - 10.03.2010 at 20:01:00
 
I'd say it's about where you want itespecially for winter  maybe a little lower for summer
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Re: Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
Reply #4 - 11.03.2010 at 19:47:31
 
I have a new thermostat from Cummins but haven't put it in yet - dunno what temp it is..

On oil pressure - I understand that Cummins run low low oil pressure. Got a mate with a 400 big cam just had a bottom end rebuild done and he only has 10~12lb on idle using 15W40 Delo. If I run Delo I'm lucky to get 7lb! What is the thoughts on using the Penrite USA25 which is 25W60?
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Reply #5 - 12.03.2010 at 20:41:33
 
I have read manuals for other makes that basically say don't worry about low oil pressure at idle. so long as there is something and it goes to where it should be when the revs are up to working speed.
Had an old landcruiser - you could tell when it needed an `oil change because it started to show good oil pressure due to the filter clogging.
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Reply #6 - 12.03.2010 at 22:45:24
 
Hello,  
I think the biggest problem with low oil pressure is how long you let it idle,  is the turbo getting enough,
V8 macks seem to suffer from low oil pressure at idle as well, know of a few owners that shut them down as soon as they can, just my 2 bobs worth

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Reply #7 - 16.03.2010 at 20:25:23
 
Those figures don't seem all that bad, I was running an Aerodyne with a small cam 350 that didn't have impressive oil pressure at idle when hot.  The temps are not bad either, if your getting into the high nineties I'd be a little worried, but if it's staying on 88, that's a good thing.

My old Nissan SD33T has a similar problem with idle oil pressure, seems a few of the old engines tend to slid in pressure at idle.

At least we have pressure gauges and not the warning light system  Shocked  or should that be "the red light of death"



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Reply #8 - 10.04.2010 at 09:20:02
 
hi roadbossman,
i'm an ex 1970's thru 90's cummins mechanic.
your small cam engine should idle around 20-25lb and run at 55-60lb......40 to 45 lb was the spec for big cams.
are you running an electric gauge or capillary type?..if its electric dont trust it...plug an oil gauge into the main oil gallery on the lh side near the camshaft and double check the reading.
water temp at 88c is ok....but....sender unit should be in the water rail on top of the head just before the thermostat housing (usually either rear of front head or in centre head).this is where the water is hottest and gives temp before thermostat opens.

hope this helps,

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Re: Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
Reply #9 - 11.04.2010 at 16:41:30
 
Hi newto,
mate thanks for that info !
I use penrite USA25 which is a 25W60 oil. With that oil I have constant 17lb on idle (550rpm) and 44lb at anything over 1400rpm. The gauge is a brand new VDO capilliary plugged in exactly where you suggested.

When I used Castrol RX Super (15W40) I was flat out with 8lb hot idle and never more than 25lb.
I reckon she's is tired but she still does the job and uses about 4 litres of oil between services (which is every 10,000km or 4 months and usually the 4 months come up first because I do a lot of citty running and idling).

The temperature gauge is also brand new but electric, VDO of course. It is also plugged in exactly where you described. She has never got hot, but just making sure that 88 degress is not overly hot.

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Reply #10 - 11.04.2010 at 17:27:38
 
hi bretto,
the oil pressure is still a little low.
on the side of the oil cooler housing where it bolts to the block there is a large nut (cant remember size but about 7/8 i think) facing outwards.behind that is the pressure regulator and spring.
roadside fix......undo the nut and remove the spring,then pull the plunger out (normally by inserting your finger or using internal pliers)clean the plunger then drop about a 1/4 spacer into it,insert the spring on top of the washer and put it all back in in one piece.
shld pick you up about 10lbs of pressure.
water temp in old language shld be 185F normally & allowed to go up to 195/200 in short bursts.88c is about 190 so thats ok.
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Re: Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
Reply #11 - 12.04.2010 at 07:31:57
 
Hi again newto,
I would imagine that the spring and plunger you speak of is the pressure relief spring? Correct??
If I increase that spring pressure so that it holds more pressure, then that would/should only affect maximum pressure which I believe is about 65lb and it only gets to that pressure when cold if I have to move it before it reaches normal temp. Please tell me I'm wrong in my thinking.... as I would dearly love to get a bit more pressure through her.
If, on the other hand, the valve you speak of regulates pressure at all rev ranges, then most certainly I'll give it a go!!
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Reply #12 - 12.04.2010 at 10:32:03
 
hi again back,
its not a relief spring,it controls the regulator plunger.
there are 2 pressure regulators and springs,1 in the oil pump and the other in the oil cooler head.the one in the oil cooler allows any excess pressure to dump back to the sump via an internal drilling....but....it still cotrols the pressure right across the range.shimming it shld raise both idle and max pressures.the ideal thing to do wld be to replace both regulators and springs,oil pmp and cooler.if shimming the spring raises pressure then that indicates just general wear and tear in the lube system,if it doesnt then the gremlins could be much deeper.
remember,the spec is 60lb HOT at revs,20/25lb @ idle with 15w/40 oil..your 60lb cold is probably the thicker oil.
just trying to help,
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Re: Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
Reply #13 - 12.04.2010 at 15:37:55
 
Hi newto,
That clarifies it for me, I will give it a go and let you know of the result. I guess that the 1/4" spacer is to increase pressure on the valve and that makes sense to me
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Re: Cummins 400 Oil pressure & temperature
Reply #14 - 12.04.2010 at 16:00:34
 
Newto, just to make sure we are taling the same thing, where my oil cooler bolts on there is three bolts about 9/16" AND one bolt which has a 1 5/16" head (a big bolt!). My guess is that is the one - yeah?
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