Nothing new under the sun

Here is a Thornycroft steam tip truck. Claimed to be 1897?

Tipper is like a modern version and Thornycroft should sue Kenworth for stealing their cab design for its latest 2019 forward control.



Thornycroft Steam Wagon of 1897 with tipper body to act as a dust-cart

John Isaac Thornycroft, the naval engineer, also formed the Thornycroft Steam Carriage and Van Company which built its first steam van in 1896. This was exhibited at the Crystal Palace Show, and could carry a load of 1 ton. It was fitted with a Thornycroft marine launch-type boiler (Thornycroft announced a new boiler designed for their steam carriages in October 1897[1]). The engine was a twin-cylinder compound engine arranged so that high-pressure steam could be admitted to the low-pressure cylinder to give extra power for hill-climbing.[2] A modified version of the steam wagon with a 6-cubic-yard tipper body was developed for Chiswick council in 1896 and went into service as a very early self-propelled dust-cart. While the original 1896 wagon had front-wheel drive with rear-wheel steering, the tipper dust-cart had rear-wheel drive and front-wheel steering. The Thornycroft tipper was built by the Bristol Wagon and Carriage Company, though engined by Thornycroft.[3]

Thornycroft's first petrol vehicle was built in 1902,[4] and the company completed the move into internal combustion engine power in 1907.

Here are a couple more Thornycroft from the turn of the century.

This is the very first Thornycroft steam van 1896


This is a 1902 bus


This would have to qualify as one of the first heavy semi-trailers on the 1897 prime mover. Note how they have extended the nose to allow the driver to sit down instead of standing and more importantly given the cab a streamlined design to increase speed and fuel economy.

Rex and Swishy,

You might get a few clues on how to haul a heavy load.

Young hoons in their lowered hotrod. Queensland pre-WW1

See they don't have a spare tyre, but do have a spare collar in case they break down and the RACQ give them a different size horse to complete their trip.

Or is it for heavy going? If one collar can create a pulling force of 1 horsepower will putting a second collar on him create 2 horsepower?

Lang wrote: Or is it for heavy going? If one collar can create a pulling force of 1 horsepower will putting a second collar on him create 2 horsepower?

On similar logic if one collar is pulling/carrying a second collar of the same HP then you could have zero horse power as the second one might cancel out the HP of the first, as shown in the picture where the Horse is going nowhere.

Terry

No Terry as compared to my scientifically calculated deduction you have false logic. Just like a truck carrying another of the same type on the tray - the potential is available by hooking them together.

The reason they don't have 4 collars is Neddy would rip the shafts out of the cart. Like putting a V8 in a Corolla.

I also note what looks like a slingshot already loaded with a rock for drive-by shootings?

lang

Anyhow.back to Nothing New Under the Sun.

Even the Romans (photo taken in Pompeii prior to the dust storm) had to put up with vehicle destroying traffic calming devices. This is exactly what these rocks in the street are for. They could not arrest the nobility (who were the ones running over people at high speed) so they built the speed humps to slow "everybody" down without obviously targeting anybody. Must have been a pain in the backside for the truckies/ox cart drivers.

Lang m80

Way back wen

we hadn't cum 2 terms of the wheel az yet

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cya

Too much time on your hands, Guys! Way too much!