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Using content from other sites. 10 Jan 2022 22:24 #230476

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I think it was last year where a magazine I subscribe to had a reader forward a poem to be offered to the rest of the readers. Turns out that the writer of said poem did not give approval for it to be printed and threatend legal action just because he was not asked. It was not the subsc riber who went the item in but the Editor of the magazine. Forunately an appology was all that was required but it did set a precedent and now if it is not your article you must supply proof that the original writer has approved it to be used again.
I read in the last edition a short story about thermosyphone cooling systems but I dont dare put it up here as I do not have permission to do so and dont want to put Admin in a tricky place.
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Using content from other sites. 10 Jan 2022 22:34 #230477

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Magazines are a completely different kettle o' fish Cob.

Subject under discussion here are Public Forums
Be it firearms or V8 engines, the question is not "why should you have them?"
, but "who are you to demand that I justify them?"
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Using content from other sites. 10 Jan 2022 22:58 #230479

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Hayseed

I know, I said above I would quit yapping but your highlight has also affected me personally.

Plagiarism has been with us since the first Egyptian school student copied the class genius's grade 4 essay. I mentioned earlier I have seen heaps of my stuff reprinted with no acknowledgement and even others falsely claiming ownership - long before computers hastened the information transfer.

It pisses you off but as I also said, being miffed will not support a court action. To justify an action you will only get paid what you lost and punitive costs awarded for the sort of stuff we are talking about would not pay for your time in court. It would be a rich man indeed who was willing to sue you with little prospect of covering his effort just "on principle".

There are potentially billions of people on the receiving end of anything you put up on any site because once just one of those billions steals your stuff it is gone, gone, gone as the Righteous Brothers sang. Embrace the moment - are you writing to contribute something or looking for compliments and medals? You are not writing for some piss-ant forum in Australia you are writing for the WORLD! How good is that?

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Using content from other sites. 10 Jan 2022 23:02 #230480

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I doubt that the average punter would object to another, repeating the information posted. But consider if someone from this forum, spent many hours researching the history of a particular subject, only to have someone else repost it elsewhere, as their own work. I'd be a bit miffed.
Serious consequences can arise if a poster cut and pastes content from articles from behind paywalls.

I'm Pretty sure Werkhorse can attest to this......... Some of His very early TNT work ended up all over the internet/social Media un-attributed or credited to someone else...........

Yep ... Got me a bit wary for a while .... Infact it's happened a few times recently ... But I've let it go ... One of the reasons I've not submitted much to the magazine lately .

My Pacific trucks in Australia research might be considered at this stage ... Spent a lot ...and I mean a lot of time on that ... Even had phone calls to Canada (The current Pacific company manager), spent hours pouring over old build sheets (which I now have copies of), spent endless hours contacting guys all over the world for photos and permission to use said photos... none of which is ever taken into account with the end "product" ... But I've seen a lot of bits n pieces of that work posted up all over the place on the net. Note that it's been selected bits n pieces ... Not the whole story ...which most complete works are ...whole stories that tell the complete picture.
Until I submitted it even Pacific them selves never knew of the Australian (well actually it was all Tasmanian) part of their history ...to the point that I even cracked their early letter only model code system for them, for which they supplied any and all info I requested and I am forever grateful for.

But in saying that I guess I've made absolutely no money out of my research, publications etc. and I'm glad that (most) people actually appreciate the fact that history is/has been recorded forever ...

So that'll be my legacy ...

I'm currently working on a history of Tasmanian Transport ...based on road transport but covering other related subjects like Bass Strait shipping, our rego system, our cart licence and area permit systems, etc. that all ties in with our road tspt system. So for now I'll concentrate on that and lean back from submitting articles for now ...maybe a small one here and there if I get the chance
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Using content from other sites. 10 Jan 2022 23:23 #230481

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Good on you Werk.

Don't let the bastards beat you. At least a few thousand people will know it is you and the vast numbers who come after your name has been erased from the heading page will be recipients of a legacy remaining long after we are all dead and gone.

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Using content from other sites. 11 Jan 2022 11:02 #230494

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Hayseed

I know, I said above I would quit yapping but your highlight has also affected me personally.

Well Lang, it wasn't aimed or directed at You Personally.
"Be who you are and say what you feel...
Because those that matter...
don't mind...
And those that mind....
don't matter." -

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Using content from other sites. 11 Jan 2022 16:26 #230507

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No no I never read anything personally critical of me into it. I was apologising for talking underwater with a mouth full of wet cement after I said I would stop.

It was the annoyance of stolen material I was talking about and the fact I have suffered the same miffed feeling as Werkhorse and many others but I feel there is absolutely no way to recover the situation and we just have to readjust our thinking and consider anything we write will go far further afield than the original purpose. All the recognition stuff is very nice but a bit like feeling warm and fuzzy by heating your coffee cup with the sun through a magnifying glass while the bloke next door is burning 200 truck tyres down the back of his paddock. There is no turning back the runaway train.

As I said I will follow your instructions regarding 3rd party information.

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Using content from other sites. 11 Jan 2022 16:44 #230510

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Unfortunately with the way the internet has exploded to the point where it is almost "open slather" the moment anyone puts pen to paper, it automatically becomes public property.
Personally, I feel that if you are going to be offended or feel you have been given the short end of the stick, then perhaps you ( or me, or anyone) should stop and think if it is woth it in the first place.
I wrote something for this forum many years ago and posted it with the intent it may have helped someone else out.
It turned up on another forum, albeit an overseas one, almost verbatim, where a mate read it and rang me to ask about it.
Didn't worry me then, still doesn't, but suppose I can dig where if someone does put in a lot of effort to research a topic, then they may least at like to be a knowledged.
But, thats only my opinion, obviously many will disagree, but WTF!
Isn't that what makes the world revolve?
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Using content from other sites. 11 Jan 2022 17:43 #230518

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Dave,

A slightly different twist.

Unfortuantely, when the author is writing for a profession/living and someone/entity lifts their work; they partially lose the opportunity to make a quid. That's one good thing that has come out of the recent legislation regarding the google and facebook news feeds. They are starting to pay for the work of Australian content writers.

Then there was the old discussion about everyone copying music CD's the artists missing out; a lot of that has gone with the advent of the music streaming sites.

And Getty images, iStock and other photo sites allow people and companies to buy licensed work. Better still, you and me can take photos and load them up with the hope of someone purchasing a license to use.

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Using content from other sites. 14 Jan 2022 19:52 #230683

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Werk, The Tassie transport project would be very interesting. A parallel tome about New Zealand's quaint and restrictive road transport history is 'Road's the Mode" by Jenny Haworth. Heavy going in parts of it's 320 pages though. Good luck with it.


www.hcvc.com.au/forum/OldTruck/20148-the...ie-transport-project
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