Electric vehicles and alternate fuel sources

What makes you think it is coal power?? Swishy
There is some very big wind and solar farms out there like this one being built in Queensland
www.agl.com.au/about-agl/how-we-source-e...oopers-gap-wind-farm
Ian

This is probably why.



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Yes but the use of coal is going down like it or not. I got solar fitted May this year and was offered (at a cost) a Telsa charging point to run of my solar no I did not get it
Ian

Another update from a Canadian Engineer


As an engineer I love the electric vehicle technology However, I
have been troubled for a longtime by the fact that the electrical
energy to keep the batteries charged has to come from the grid and
that means more power generation and a huge increase in the
distribution infrastructure Whether generated from coal, gas, oil,
wind or sun, installed generation capacity is limited A friend sent
me the following that says it very well. You should all take a look
at this short article.


IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN
PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES,
WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND
BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR
MAINTENANCE!

In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:
Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of
those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg
in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity
to run it . This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the
story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things,
yet they're being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put
engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro
Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.

If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you
have to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system
for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped
with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes),
The electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three
houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have
electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.


This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our
residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our "genius"
elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged
to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems
with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have
to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment"
will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that
it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are
eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green
person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and
he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran
on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the
16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles."


It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10
hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5
hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging
Time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.
The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned ,
so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16
per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.
$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the
Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a
gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32
Mpg = $0.10 per mile.


The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs
$46,000 plus. So the Canadian Government wants loyal Canadians not to
do the math, but simply pay twice as much for a car, that costs
more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to
drive across the country.

And NONE of this discusses the disposal cost of the batteries once they are used up and need to be replaced!!!

Americans would not buy Chevrolet Volt cars, so General Motors changed them to right-hand-drive, put Holden badges on them and tried to sell them in Australia.
The Australians are just as smart as Americans. GM stopped making the cars.

Since I quit work I use about a tank of diesel every two months........about $40 a month fuel cost............take a long time to pay for a lekky car at that rate..........and an interesting fact coming out of the California power cuts/fires.........if a Tesla is not charged for a few weeks,the whole car dies ,and cant be simply charged......has to be taken to authorized repair shop ,at considerable cost,no doubt.

pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.

No fan of them either, but the propaganda is equal on both sides. Who the hell pays $1.16/kwh for electricity? Just make the figures up and hope nobody checks (most won't).
Jarrod.

Interesting, with a bit of poetic licence, the Morris JE Style logo on back doors becomes JE S T if you are that way inclined? :dry: :whistle: I reckon I could live with it?

Old is new again . . .

yes,the $1.16 does seem a bit high,I pay just on 25c/kWhr, meter reading,which averages out at around 60c /kWhr all in..........but the service charge is fixed,so the more you use the lower the average works out......One thing I note tho ,is that no household service is capable of charging two cars simultaneously.......I see the farm gate price of the Dalby windpower is quoted as $60 per MW hr,cost to distributor.,or 6c /kWhr.,which seems rather high,but it is green power and a higher rate is charged for green power.

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