Electric vehicles and alternate fuel sources

We have not looked at this. It has fantastic torque. Great potential.

          



 

But a electric motor works on the same principles
Yet a lot less parts

On a different note

I saw this the other day

www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/ford-f-150-...5cd7e86bc6a738&ei=17

Paul

Paul

An electric motor does not work on the same principles. It requires a power source (batteries) through miles of wire windings.

This is a self contained power source relying on the repulsion of like poles on permanent magnets - no wires. In theory a perpetual motion machine. This fantastic hand made experiment really impressed me. In production crank shaft balance etc could easily be achieved. Throttle control could be by varying the distance apart of the magnets ie the closer they are the more power, we saw that in the experiment.

Just wondering if this system could be achieved with one lot of magnets on a belt between two pulleys travelling through a connected rotating tube with the other set of magnets on the inside of it.. 
This would give centrifugal motion and reduce lubrication requirements.
David.

The idea has been around for a hundred years, the weight of the permeant Magnets required sinks it every time. You could put a set of pedals off a pushbike in the old car and get the same performance, with a push start, so power to weight to speed, we will say it achieved one K per hour (maybe a little more) you would have to multiple the magnet size and weight by 100 to get 100Ks and by 200 to get a 100 K performance uphill, then multiple again for  the requirement  for acceleration. you would pretty quickly get to where you would have to put dual wheels on it or tracks to support the weight. Think about it, why don't they use that technology to run a wristwatch. 

I still think that it should be investigated (as no doubt it is). The performance these blokes got with a few Bunnings magnets, crankshafts hand welded out of reo rod and stubby holders for cylinders is amazing.

Electric cars have been around for 130 years (in fact dominated sales in some major American cities prior to WW1) and we are kneeling to the new God which is far from achieving the aim at this stage. There is so much potential out there with so many smart people I think we might look back in only 20 years and say "How could we have wasted time on all those things when the squirrels were driving their wheels all along.

In 1905, New York City was home to a gasoline-electric hybrid bus developed by General Electric for the Fifth Avenue line. The bus was powered by General Electric equipment and promoted an automobile route to Riverside Drive and Grant's Tomb.

This is great article on early electric cars.

archive.curbed.com/2017/9/22/16346892/el...car-history-fritchle

Seems to me we have the same problems more than a century later with cost, range, weight and charging time with of course the endless "That problem is being solved, the science is in, they are much better than just a few years ago, look at the advances in the pipeline"

There is as much BS on both sides about the actual cost of an electric car. Let us just let this be and  not get into an argument on this aspect as it tends to become heated.

Without the save-the-world imperative, electric cars do not meet any of the standards of a universally useable TOOL that current vehicles have evolved to. A fueled vehicle is there anytime with unlimited range with 5 minute refuels every 600-1,000km. If there is no refueling station or you run out enroute a 20litre jerrycan will have you on your way in 5 minutes.  An electric vehicle has limited range with very long refueling times and must find a dedicated charging station, even if they develop 240v charging they don't put electricity in jerrycans. In other words you have to change your life, make plans and suffer restrictions to use an inferior replacement tool.

I can not get over the feeling we are being taken for a ride by the social engineering tidal wave with this imperfect technology actually being forced upon us and not allowed to live or die by market forces (what the people want). The car manufacturers could not give a rats what they build and are making hay while the sun shines with the automotive equivalent of the "Me Too" movement. They realize pure electric is a non-starter for the vast majority of users at this stage so in comes much more usable hybrid, still sucking up fuel but letting people get their ticket to heaven punched with electric.

If I had a company car and commuted to the city each day and used it for short trips only on the weekend, I would have electric every time. If I only had one car for all the needs of various Australian motoring requirements, electric would not even be on the short list.

You are right to a degree Lang, but the laws of physics are never going to change, they could half the weight by setting it up like a Commer knocker and dropping a magnetic shield in between the magnets (piston's so to speak) at top dead center, with apposing charged magnets. The weight of the pistons (magnets) is always going to beat you, the block for one reason would have to be the size of a D8 to keep all that weigh bouncing around contained within the engine compartment, it's never going to be an aluminum block, magnets with any size are heavy little shits

Here is a go. What about electro magnets in light pistons that only go on for a split second at top dead centre.

Wow, electric  magnetic and hybrid to provide the power. All bases coveredv

Not sure what old mate meant with his last comments mainly the prank bit without friction losses it would be perpetual motion until the magnets lost their pull/push l don’t know just thinking out loud and that can get a bloke into all sorts of trouble
Bluey