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Subbies Future..?????? 09 Apr 2016 11:12 #169073

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Should the hirer using the Owner Driver apply the minimum rate for example a tow operator using the hirer's trailers, I believe it will be the demise of the Owner Driver
My reasoning is as follows.
Classification for a 3 axle Prime Mover is "C8"
Classification for a Semi Trailer number of axles not specified but would assume a trip axle is "T5"
Classification for a driver GCM greater than 22.4 tonnes and not more than 42.50 tonnes grade 4
Rates as per Long distance, hirer supplies trailer and driver supplies vehicle
Grade 4 C 8 + T 5 + $28.62 per hour $1 30 per km assuming he averages 80 km/ hour, not that hard to do on the Hume Highway. then the hourly rate will add 0.33 cents per km taking it up to $1.63 per km. If the hirer's choose to use this minimum rate the Owner Driver can't survive.
bear in mind this is how I have interpreted the document and I do stand to be corrected.
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Subbies Future..?????? 09 Apr 2016 11:22 #169074

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Having re looked at the schedule I picked up the wrong Trailer using the classification T1
The correct rates should be
Grade 4 C 8 + T5 $31.29 per hour 1.53 per km giving a result 0.39 cents per km based on 80 km/hour $1.53 + $0.39 gives a far better result of $1.92 per km while it is better it is still in my opinion border line for the Owner Driver.
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Subbies Future..?????? 09 Apr 2016 14:08 #169083

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...Rex

I don't know about the rates......no doubt that comes into it....But.....
I thought (and I may well be wrong), that the main concern was the
inequality of owner drivers subbying for the major transport companies
as against other owner drivers dealing direct with the customers doing
the same work.......
The owner driver dealing direct would have to charge up to (maybe)
30 % extra for the same job that the transport company does for the
normal rate( what ever that may be )
So........who gets the work..............&
who doesn't get the work ............
The owner driver working for the transport Co carries on ( financially
viable or not ).
The other owner driver goes bust ( or whatever)
As I said I might have it wrong, but that is the way I read it..............
......................Billy...........................
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Subbies Future..?????? 09 Apr 2016 15:23 #169084

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BillyP wrote: .......OK.......
..........If these new regulations (and the TWU) demand that owner drivers
.......be paid these new rate increases, Will all subbies (owner drivers)
.......hauling for the big transport companies (like Linfox...etc.....etc....)
......automatically get the rate increase too.........?????????????
.....................Billy.........................


Billy My understanding is that; ANYONE who hires a Truck being Driven by either the Owner or a Member of the Owners Family, they MUST pay them according to the RSRT Order. (or risk a $54,000 fine)
YET, if they hire a truck with an employed Driver The RSRT order DOSEN'T Apply & they can Pay them anything that can be agreed on.
In order to circumvent the Order Big Companies will begin to ONLY employ Fleet trucks leaving the Owner Driver/Operator out in the COLD..

It will be very interesting to see out It all pans out in the next few Weeks/months. I think It will be a very painful & trying Time for quite a Few Truck Owners/Operators.. IMHO.
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Subbies Future..?????? 09 Apr 2016 16:14 #169087

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...Seed
Lets hope that common sense will prevail.........but..........
until then ,no doubt, there will be casualties..............
(thinking....thinking)............
how is this going to effect blokes like $wishy...............
......................Billy......................
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Subbies Future..?????? 09 Apr 2016 17:32 #169089

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Billy the Order only applies to Long Distance & supermarket Distribution Work.. (I think)





And According to "their" definition of Long Distance..

Long distance operation


From the Road Transport (Long Distance Operations) Award 2010 as in force on 1 July 2012:

Any interstate operation, or any return journey where the distance travelled exceeds 500 kilometres and the operation involves a vehicle moving livestock or materials whether in a raw or manufactured state from a principal point of commencement to a principal point of destination. An area within a radius of 32 kilometres from the GPO of a capital city will be deemed to be the capital city.



I'd say Swishy's Business is exempt from the Order, seeing as he never leaves the Melways..

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Subbies Future..?????? 10 Apr 2016 10:44 #169106

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Subbies Future..?????? 10 Apr 2016 10:50 #169107

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YES

RE: Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull will today pledge to abolish a road safety tribunal following its attempts to introduce a new minimum pay rate for trucking contractors

n probly reintroduce it under nuther name ...... if n wen he B re elected

PolyTalk:
best to judge m for wot they have dun n not wot they say will do


So the BS goes on

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Subbies Future..?????? 10 Apr 2016 15:32 #169128

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Seems to me the gubment won't be happy until all subbies are gone and corporate interests run the whole show, then watch the flow of 457 visa steerers, as seen on

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Subbies Future..?????? 11 Apr 2016 20:36 #169167

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........I have heard that............
.........Owner drivers with some of the major transport companies
.........are already receiving DCM letters.............
.......................Billy.......................
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