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3 months 3 days ago #260112
by Fighting Rust
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+1 on that POR sealant. I've used it twice and the results are excellent.
There is a similar product called Red Kote
There is a similar product called Red Kote
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3 months 3 days ago #260113
by cobbadog
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I have used KBS sealer kit in this tank which seems to be failing. I bout the 3 stage kit n galloped it to the letter n now have going on. Pics show some flaking but some small rust spots n places where the sealant is gone showing bare steel.
So the tank was bone dry today so I poured 1ltr of Ranex rust converter, coated every part of the tank. So the Ranex has now been drained n tank is drying. Heading off for a few days on Sunday so it will be bone dry when we get back. I will be fitting an extension onto the fuel outlet pipe to raise the fuel pick up height n leave any remains crap on the bottom.
So the tank was bone dry today so I poured 1ltr of Ranex rust converter, coated every part of the tank. So the Ranex has now been drained n tank is drying. Heading off for a few days on Sunday so it will be bone dry when we get back. I will be fitting an extension onto the fuel outlet pipe to raise the fuel pick up height n leave any remains crap on the bottom.
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3 months 3 days ago - 3 months 3 days ago #260114
by Lang
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If you want to come out of the bottom of the tank one of these will solve all your problems. All aircraft have them. You could make one up with even finer mesh in 15 minutes. They stop anything that will block a line leaving the fine powder stuff only to be picked up by the normal filter while being almost impossible to completely block themselves.
You can adapt this system to be attached to a top draw pick-up pipe ie make up a pencil size tube of fine mesh about 50mm long and either solder or epoxy it to the end of the pick-up pipe. Even a small jubilee clip would do the job to hold the mesh tube onto the pick-up pipe.
You can adapt this system to be attached to a top draw pick-up pipe ie make up a pencil size tube of fine mesh about 50mm long and either solder or epoxy it to the end of the pick-up pipe. Even a small jubilee clip would do the job to hold the mesh tube onto the pick-up pipe.
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3 months 2 days ago #260118
by cobbadog
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In the past I have made something similar and in fact one is in the small tank. I will take a pic of it tomorrow. I use a stainles product called Termimesh which is used for termite protection in houses.
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3 months 2 days ago #260130
by grumpy gumpy
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Termimesh is great stuff, fine hole spacing and able to be formed into shape with a bit of work
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3 months 2 days ago #260141
by cobbadog
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My Termimesh filter. It's stainless steel with fine holes. I rolled it up like a ciggy n poked it down the bore of the tube then crimped the end shut.
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2 months 3 weeks ago #260289
by cobbadog
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So git to play with David for a short time today. I made the extension tube n soldered it in place. Fitted the fuel tank n dash then dropped the bonnet in place as one bolt goes through the bonnet n onto the tank. Fitted the fuel line with the extension then poured some fuel into the tank. I put a hose from the fuel line from the tap into a buck n turned on the tap. Nothing. Thought maybe not enough fuel in the tank. But I blew into the plastic tube n heard bubbles then fuel flowed freely into the bucket. But I noticed the tap handle leaked. So once the tank was empty I removed the tap handle. I knew the thread was the issue, it's worn n the nut wobbles on the thread. So with another one of my nasty thoughts I cleaned the thread n sweated solder over the worn thread then ran the 1/4" BSF die down it. Brilliant success. The nut nut no longer wobbles n good tension on the spring to pulle the handle onto the gasket. Then I noticed another leak between tap housing n glass bowl housing. This is usually a fibre washer so this is for the next play day.
I put fuel back into the tank n turned it on n once again no flow but blow into the plastic tube, hear bubbles then it flows WHY?
I put fuel back into the tank n turned it on n once again no flow but blow into the plastic tube, hear bubbles then it flows WHY?
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2 months 3 weeks ago - 2 months 3 weeks ago #260311
by Mrsmackpaul
Your better to die trying than live on your knees begging
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I have learnt after many decades of owning irrigation pumps that the key to stopping the suction side blocking is to slow the flow down to almost zero as it enters the strainer
Yes pointless waffle here
So some things I have learnt
If you double the diameter you get 4 times the flow
Some things like mesh filters actually increase the flow and increase the chanes of a blockage
Using a screen is a good idea but the screen needs to be a lot bigger to maintain the same flow
Remember as the flow rate increases the velocity increases and the chances of a blockage climbs on a really steep graph
So to reduce the chance of a blockage the flow rate has to fall
To reduce the flow rate you need to increase the surface area
I'm sure your all over this Cobba
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Yes pointless waffle here
So some things I have learnt
If you double the diameter you get 4 times the flow
Some things like mesh filters actually increase the flow and increase the chanes of a blockage
Using a screen is a good idea but the screen needs to be a lot bigger to maintain the same flow
Remember as the flow rate increases the velocity increases and the chances of a blockage climbs on a really steep graph
So to reduce the chance of a blockage the flow rate has to fall
To reduce the flow rate you need to increase the surface area
I'm sure your all over this Cobba
Paul
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2 months 3 weeks ago - 2 months 3 weeks ago #260312
by Lang
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Paul
That is exactly what those finger strainers do.
Say the pipe is 5mm id the sum of all the holes in the strainer might be 20 or 30 times more than that so the flow through each hole is only required to be 5% that of the flow going into the neck of the pipe. Achieving your aim of not jamming rubbish against the inlet by forceful flow. If Cobba made his strainer 150mm long the flow into each mesh hole would be hardly measurable.
That is exactly what those finger strainers do.
Say the pipe is 5mm id the sum of all the holes in the strainer might be 20 or 30 times more than that so the flow through each hole is only required to be 5% that of the flow going into the neck of the pipe. Achieving your aim of not jamming rubbish against the inlet by forceful flow. If Cobba made his strainer 150mm long the flow into each mesh hole would be hardly measurable.
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