Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: 1972 Bedford Bus

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 17:50 #202524

  • Lang
  • Lang's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 3311
  • Thank you received: 1147
The book says the correct carb for the Bedford 300 is model 23-3039. Similar to Holden 202 but bit bigger throat.

23-3000 FC-EJ MAN
23-3001 EK-EJ AUTO
23-3002 EH 149
23-3003 EH 179 MAN/AUTO
23-3005 EH 149 MAN/AUTO
23-3006 EH 179 MAN/AUTO
23-3007 HD 149
23-3008 HD 179
23-3013 HD-G;LC 149-161
23-3014 HD-G 186 AUTO
23-3015 HD-HR X2
23-3016 HD-HR X2
23-3019 HR-G,LC 161 MAN
23-3020 HR-G 186 MAN
23-3032 WW is off an HT & HG 253 V8 auto
23-3033 HT-HG 253 MAN
23-3034 suits HT 186 S auto
23-201A&B HR-HG 186S Manual, a
23-202A&B HR-HG 186S Auto
23-3035 suits HT & HG 186 S manual
23-3036 suits HG 186 S auto
23-3039 Bedford 300 ci 6 cyl 70/71 (Single Barrel)
23-3040 suits late HT & all HG 253 V8 with manual transmission.
23-3041 LC GTR 2600 S, Oct '69 to July '71.
23-3045 WW is of a 253 V8 HQ from July '71 to Oct '72.
23-3046 earlier carb for an HQ 253 manual
23-3048 LC 186S
23-3050 HQ-LC-LJ 173 MAN
23-3053 HQ-LJ 202 AUTO
23-3054 LC-LJ 138 MANUAL
23-3063 HQ 253 V8 Auto Nov 72 to July 73.
23-3064 HQ 253 manual the later carb (Nov '72 onwards)
23-3073 HQ 173cid AUTO
23-3074 HQ 173 MAN
23-3075 HQ 202 AUTO
23-3076 HQ 202 MAN
23-3077 HQ 253 V8 Auto Aug '73 to Sept '74
23-3078 HQ 253 V8 man Aug '73 to Sept '74
23-3081 LJ-LH 173 AUTO
23-3082 LJ-LH 173 MAN
23-3083 HJ-LJ-LH 202 AUTO
23-3084 HJ-LJ-LH 202
23-3085 STROM HJ-LH 253 AUTO
23-3086 HJ 253 manual
23-3089 75 LH-X 173 MAN
23-3090 75 LH/LX 173 AUTO
23-3091 75 LH-X;HJ 202 MAN
23-3093 75-6 LH-X;HJ 253 MAN
23-3093 HJ/LH/LX 4.2 V8 Manual Jan 75 to Jun 77
23-3094 Same as 23-3093 but Auto
23-3098 4.2 (252) V8 auto in HX & LX from July '76 to April '77
23-3099 HX/LX 253 manual
23-3100 LX-UC 173 AUTO
23-3101 LX-UC 173 MAN
23-3102 HX-LX 202 AUTO
23-3103 HX-LX 202 MAN
23-3105 HX-Z 202 AUTO UTE/VAN
23-3106 HX-Z 202 MAN EXCH UTE
23-3107 HX-Z-LX 202 MAN
23-3109 HX-Z 202 MANUAL
23-3111 HX/HZ/LX/VB 4.2 V8 auto from May '77 to Mar '80
23-3112 HX/HZ/LX/VB 4.2 V8 Manual May 77 to March 80.
23-3114 HZ-LX -C 202 AUTO
23-3115 HX,LX-UC 202 MAN
23-3118 VB 173 MAN
23-3120 VB 202 MAN
23-3126 XY&ZD 250
2-3120 1970 XW Falcon 302 V8 Auto
2-3120 1970-71 XY Falcon 302 V8 Man & Auto
2-3120 1970 ZC Fairlane 302 V8 Auto
2-3120 1970-71 ZD Fairlane 302 V8 Man & Auto
2-3139 XA 250 MANUAL
2-3147 73-4 XB;TC-D 250 AUTO
2-3148 FORD TC-TD;XB 250 MAN
2-3154 TC;XA;ZF 250 AUTO
2-3156 STR.XA#8722;ZF 302 MAN/AUTO
2-3163 75-6 XB,TC-D 250 AUTO
2-3170 XC 3.3L MAN
2-3171 FORD XC 4.1 AUTO
2-3185 1977 XC 4.1L AUTO
2-3190 FORD XC 4.1 AUTO
2-3199 79 XD;TF 250 AUTO
The following user(s) said Thank You: warrenm

Please Log in to join the conversation.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 17:53 #202525

  • jon_d
  • jon_d's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 300
  • Thank you received: 50
The TS1084 Engine manual says a Zenith 48 VIR is used on the 300 petrol.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 18:44 #202526

  • Lang
  • Lang's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 3311
  • Thank you received: 1147
Jon

Do you think the book might be a UK print and GMH stuck with their standard brand for Australian vehicles.

I don't know but the Stromberg list I found and the fact his bus has a Stromberg that "looks like it belongs" might point to this being the Australian fitment?

This from a carb supply place seems to confirm the Australian 300 1970-79 Bedford used Stromberg.

[Australian production Universal Stromberg BXOV-2; BXUV-3
[/i]


Used on BXOV-1 as fitted to 48-215 (FX); 50-215; FJ; FE; FC; FB; EK; EJ; 1948 -1963

BXUV-2 as fitted to EH 149 CI. 1963 - 65

BXV-2 as fitted to EH 179 C.I. 1963 - 65

BXUV-2 as fitted to HD 149 CI. 1965 - 66

BXV-2 as fitted to HD 179 CI. 1965 - 66

BXUV-2 as fitted to HD; HR; HK; HT; HG; 1965 - 71

BXUV-3 as fitted to HQ 173 C.I. 202 C.I. 1973-74

BXUV-3 as fitted to HJ 3300 cc. 1975-76

BXUV-3 as fited to Holden Cab/Chassi 2850 cc. 1974-76

Torana LC; LJ; LJ-GTR; LJ; LH; LX; 2250cc.; 2600cc.; 3300cc.; 6 cyl. 1969-76

Fits BXUV-3 as fitted to I. H. C. petrol engined trucks 1962-1978

Bedford 300C.I. petrol engined trucks 1970-79

Bedford CF Van with 173 C.I. Engine 1973-78

I.H.C. Commercial Petrol AB; ACCO; ABT; ABM; C; D Series; 1962 - 78



Lang
The following user(s) said Thank You: warrenm

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Last edit: by Lang.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 19:11 #202528

  • Lang
  • Lang's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 3311
  • Thank you received: 1147
Just found what makes sense. Everybody is correct!

Bendix-Stromberg were pioneers back at the turn of the 20th century.

Meanwhile in Europe we had Zenith (British) and Solex (French) who became the same company around 1960. The Zenith name was slowly pushed to the background in favour of Solex.

Zenith's last hurrah as a leading designer was their side-draft performance design built to break the stranglehold SU had through their patents. Many high performance cars of the 60's - Jaguar, Triumph Torana etc were fitted and they continue to be popular in racing circles for historic cars.

Stromberg looked to expansion and we then had Zenith-Stromberg marketed in Europe. Many Zenith carburettors were merely rebranded Strombergs. Zenith continued to produce models to suit various European engines not in use in USA but were slowly dying. The factory in UK produced castings and parts for Solex and Stromberg.

It appears the British Bedford Zenith is merely a European version of the Australian/USA Stromberg.

Lang

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Last edit: by Lang.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 19:16 #202529

  • Blackduck59
  • Blackduck59's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 802
  • Thank you received: 204
Think the venturi on those was 1 9/32, largest Holden used was 1 7/32. Ford may have also used the larger one on their 250 6 but may have had a different top to suit the air cleaner.

The size is cast into the side of the main body

Cheers steve

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Last edit: by Blackduck59.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 19:25 #202530

  • Lang
  • Lang's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 3311
  • Thank you received: 1147
Steve

I have a Bedford 1 9/32" on my 1941 Dodge WC Pick-up 230 cu in motor. Absolutely fantastic and so much better than the original Carter in both power but particularly fuel consumption.

Nearly every WW2 jeep runs a Holden Stromberg for the same reasons.

Lang

Please Log in to join the conversation.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 19:28 #202531

  • jon_d
  • jon_d's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 300
  • Thank you received: 50
Hi Lang

To be honest; I have no idea. I really only have a narrow focus on Bedford buses and Isuzu (drive trains) and mainly because I have the Comair and converted to a motorhome.

Here's a photo of the Zenith; maybe someone more familiar with then can compare.
Attachments:

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Last edit: by jon_d.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 20:52 #202532

  • JOHN.K.
  • JOHN.K.'s Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 1221
  • Thank you received: 215
A Stromberg off a 281 Inter would be suitable for a 300 Bedford,.......a bit bigger than a 202 Holden carb,but very similar......I do know a carb off a 179 Holden is jetted right to work on a 281 Inter,cause Ive used them.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

1972 Bedford Bus 18 Aug 2019 20:53 #202533

  • Blackduck59
  • Blackduck59's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Posts: 802
  • Thank you received: 204
The best bit all the jets are interchangeable and as there are various base sizes they can usually be swapped as well.
Even have an adjustable main jet that actually came off a Bedford, cannot remember the size carb but may have been Holden as it came off a 214 motor.
A good trouble free carb that is easy to set up.

Have a box full of Strombergs of various sizes including the dual throat plus an X2 manifold. Not the original carbs but one day may put a set of original on it. Currently has matching carbs, the originals were two different carbs.

JK that would most likely have been a 1 5/32, would have given it some good low torque. may not have been the best at full revs
Cheers Steve

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Last edit: by Blackduck59.

1972 Bedford Bus 19 Aug 2019 08:41 #202541

  • warrenm
  • warrenm's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Posts: 11
  • Thank you received: 1
Thanks all, I thought it looked like it was factory.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.355 seconds

Historic Commercial Vehicles Club of Australia Inc.  Post: P.O. Box 2020 Bayswater Vic. 3153    Clubrooms: Unit 8 / 4  Macquarie Place Boronia    Club Phone: 0400 025 525    Club Rooms:  03) 9738 1558