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Bedford J1 - Need help with history
8 months 1 day ago - 8 months 1 day ago #250491
by Splod
Bedford J1 - Need help with history was created by Splod
I have recently bought a J1 Bedford, six cylinder petrol, four speed, single speed diff.
I am after some information on the year it was built and general restoration tips/advice from the forum.
It is a runner, but the brakes need repairing. I have removed the front wheel cylinders and master cylinder and am taking them to be stainless steel lined and the shoes re-bonded. The rears are proving difficult for me to remove the hubs, to access the brakes.
I was wondering if I can unbolt the rear drum from the hub before trying to remove the hub, so that I do not bend or break the drum. I realise I still have to take the hub off, just don't want to break something. The rear adjusters seem frozen. Wheels turn OK, but I cannot budge the adjusters.
Information I have at hand so far is:
Bedford J1 (1960's?)
Chassis Number:
J1C2 17545311
Engine number: 2/J1/2/3 158183
ID Tag M004316
BODY: TJ CAB-20971
TRIM: 502-1007
PAINT: 568-9857
12volt Generator
Negative to ground
No seat belts or seat belt mounts
Single drivers sunvisor
119" wheelbase
16" wheels
Single rear wheels
I am after some information on the year it was built and general restoration tips/advice from the forum.
It is a runner, but the brakes need repairing. I have removed the front wheel cylinders and master cylinder and am taking them to be stainless steel lined and the shoes re-bonded. The rears are proving difficult for me to remove the hubs, to access the brakes.
I was wondering if I can unbolt the rear drum from the hub before trying to remove the hub, so that I do not bend or break the drum. I realise I still have to take the hub off, just don't want to break something. The rear adjusters seem frozen. Wheels turn OK, but I cannot budge the adjusters.
Information I have at hand so far is:
Bedford J1 (1960's?)
Chassis Number:
J1C2 17545311
Engine number: 2/J1/2/3 158183
ID Tag M004316
BODY: TJ CAB-20971
TRIM: 502-1007
PAINT: 568-9857
12volt Generator
Negative to ground
No seat belts or seat belt mounts
Single drivers sunvisor
119" wheelbase
16" wheels
Single rear wheels
Last edit: 8 months 1 day ago by Splod. Reason: Formatting indicators were showing in post
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8 months 1 day ago #250499
by asw120
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― Adlai E. Stevenson II
Replied by asw120 on topic Bedford J1 - Need help with history
9857 Woodsman Green. Comes up in 1960 and continues through to 1964.
You can get dates off the glass, back of gauges and most electrical parts (wiper motor, genny, starter.)
Probably a 214 engine.
Jarrod.
You can get dates off the glass, back of gauges and most electrical parts (wiper motor, genny, starter.)
Probably a 214 engine.
Jarrod.
“I offer my opponents a bargain: if they will stop telling lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them”
― Adlai E. Stevenson II
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8 months 21 hours ago #250507
by Morris
I have my shoulder to the wheel,
my nose to the grindstone,
I've put my best foot forward,
I've put my back into it,
I'm gritting my teeth,
Now I find I can't do any work in this position!
Replied by Morris on topic Bedford J1 - Need help with history
A workshop manual should be easy to find on the internet or at a swap meet. It will give you a lot of useful information.
I could not move the brake adjusters on my three-ton Morris but when I took the brakes apart to get new linings, and cleaned everything up, they work fine. You would not believe how much crud was in there.
I could not move the brake adjusters on my three-ton Morris but when I took the brakes apart to get new linings, and cleaned everything up, they work fine. You would not believe how much crud was in there.
I have my shoulder to the wheel,
my nose to the grindstone,
I've put my best foot forward,
I've put my back into it,
I'm gritting my teeth,
Now I find I can't do any work in this position!
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8 months 8 hours ago - 8 months 8 hours ago #250516
by jon_d
Replied by jon_d on topic Bedford J1 - Need help with history
Are the rear brakes like this set up?
bridgeclassiccars.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...ssis-Extension-4.jpg
or are the slaves inside the drum, as per the front?
If it's like my bus, the axle is removed. Then the nut and locking tab is removed. Then the drum and hub slide off the axle stub. (or something like this)
bridgeclassiccars.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...ssis-Extension-4.jpg
or are the slaves inside the drum, as per the front?
If it's like my bus, the axle is removed. Then the nut and locking tab is removed. Then the drum and hub slide off the axle stub. (or something like this)
Last edit: 8 months 8 hours ago by jon_d.
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8 months 7 hours ago - 8 months 7 hours ago #250518
by Splod
Replied by Splod on topic Bedford J1 - Need help with history
"Are the rear brakes like this set up?
bridgeclassiccars.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...ssis-Extension-4.jpg"
Yes. My setup looks the same (only with a bit more surface rust)
I really need to get a workshop manual - I assumed I would need to remove the drums to remove the slaves.
Can I just unbolt the slave from the back, or do I need to disconnect the shoes etc. from within the drum?
bridgeclassiccars.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...ssis-Extension-4.jpg"
Yes. My setup looks the same (only with a bit more surface rust)
I really need to get a workshop manual - I assumed I would need to remove the drums to remove the slaves.
Can I just unbolt the slave from the back, or do I need to disconnect the shoes etc. from within the drum?
Last edit: 8 months 7 hours ago by Splod. Reason: Added quote
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8 months 7 hours ago #250520
by Lang
Replied by Lang on topic Bedford J1 - Need help with history
Might help you. Lots of free download sites for manuals. The Bedford one comes in 5 parts.
ts.503 for the 214 cu inch or ts.504 for the 300 cu inch.
ts 507 trans,prop shaft, rear axle.
ts508 steering brakes
ts509 chassis suspension cab etc
ts510 electrical.
ts.503 for the 214 cu inch or ts.504 for the 300 cu inch.
ts 507 trans,prop shaft, rear axle.
ts508 steering brakes
ts509 chassis suspension cab etc
ts510 electrical.
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7 months 4 weeks ago - 7 months 4 weeks ago #250526
by jon_d
Replied by jon_d on topic Bedford J1 - Need help with history
No, they are very different to the traditional slaves.
A bit like a wedge system.
Don't break it. They are $300- $600 to replace
remove the top little screw. (DON'T LOOSE IT)
use the hand brake rod to undo the piston from the bisector shaft
undo 2 holding nuts and pipe
gently remove.
Also, you'll most likely need to remove and clean/grease the bisector arrangement.
A bit like a wedge system.
Don't break it. They are $300- $600 to replace
remove the top little screw. (DON'T LOOSE IT)
use the hand brake rod to undo the piston from the bisector shaft
undo 2 holding nuts and pipe
gently remove.
Also, you'll most likely need to remove and clean/grease the bisector arrangement.
Last edit: 7 months 4 weeks ago by jon_d.
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