1946 GMC ute
1 month 3 weeks ago - 1 month 3 weeks ago #253928
by Lang
1946 GMC ute was created by Lang
The next project has started. I sadly had to sell my 1946 Chevrolet ute project to fund the England to Australia Bean project but that is now dead and gone so I am picking up where I left off.
I bought a similar 1946 GMC ute in Kadina SA and had a quick 4 day trip from Brisbane to pick it up (just love that Navara STX 550 V6 power). Looks like a good project, amazingly original and totally rust free with original 1946 number plates still on it.
It has a 1955 235 engine recently fitted. It can not be identified by 99% of people from the original 216 but an extra 30hp and full oil pressure feed.. Unfortunately the seller was robbed blind by a restoration company who just kept sending him bills. Amongst their many sins they fitted a huge late model Chevrolet truck 4 speed gearbox in place of the original little three speed. I have not lifted the lid but guess it is a full crash or constant mesh box. I don't want to drive a truck. The idiots then realised the box was about 6 inches longer than the original in a vehicle with a torque tube.
What did they do? Take 6 inches out of the torque tube, a few hours work?. No they loosened the rear axle and slid it 6 inches back on the springs pushing the wheels back under the guards. Absolutely bloody criminal for a professional organisation.
Anyhow my project is now to find a normal gearbox and convert the torque tube to open drive shaft. This is easier than trying to adapt the torque tube to a modern gearbox. A Hilux or Navara rear axle should fit OK with the main feature being the same wheel stud pattern as the GMC.
So looking for advice on what gearbox (with our without adapter) will fit on the stovebolt 6 engine. I did convert a T5 box onto my similar 1945 Chevrolet in America which I took to Normandy which took 2 hours but I can not find a front stick T5 in Australia. They are one of the most common boxes but only the American Chevrolet S10 pickup had this arrangement all the others have the gearstick so far back it would be under the seat.
Also for sale is the reportedly overhauled Chevrolet truck gearbox to fit any truck from late 30's to early 60's I guess. 4 speed.
Photo of my ute and somebody elses ute in South Australia that is nicely restored.
I bought a similar 1946 GMC ute in Kadina SA and had a quick 4 day trip from Brisbane to pick it up (just love that Navara STX 550 V6 power). Looks like a good project, amazingly original and totally rust free with original 1946 number plates still on it.
It has a 1955 235 engine recently fitted. It can not be identified by 99% of people from the original 216 but an extra 30hp and full oil pressure feed.. Unfortunately the seller was robbed blind by a restoration company who just kept sending him bills. Amongst their many sins they fitted a huge late model Chevrolet truck 4 speed gearbox in place of the original little three speed. I have not lifted the lid but guess it is a full crash or constant mesh box. I don't want to drive a truck. The idiots then realised the box was about 6 inches longer than the original in a vehicle with a torque tube.
What did they do? Take 6 inches out of the torque tube, a few hours work?. No they loosened the rear axle and slid it 6 inches back on the springs pushing the wheels back under the guards. Absolutely bloody criminal for a professional organisation.
Anyhow my project is now to find a normal gearbox and convert the torque tube to open drive shaft. This is easier than trying to adapt the torque tube to a modern gearbox. A Hilux or Navara rear axle should fit OK with the main feature being the same wheel stud pattern as the GMC.
So looking for advice on what gearbox (with our without adapter) will fit on the stovebolt 6 engine. I did convert a T5 box onto my similar 1945 Chevrolet in America which I took to Normandy which took 2 hours but I can not find a front stick T5 in Australia. They are one of the most common boxes but only the American Chevrolet S10 pickup had this arrangement all the others have the gearstick so far back it would be under the seat.
Also for sale is the reportedly overhauled Chevrolet truck gearbox to fit any truck from late 30's to early 60's I guess. 4 speed.
Photo of my ute and somebody elses ute in South Australia that is nicely restored.
Last edit: 1 month 3 weeks ago by Lang.
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1 month 3 weeks ago #253929
by V8Ian
Replied by V8Ian on topic 1946 GMC ute
Lang, early Land Cruisers (FJ 45 & 55) had Chev clone petrol engines, the gearboxes were three or four speed, depending on year. Worth exploring if those bellhouses bolt up to your motor.
I doubt you'd find one of these 'boxes on every second street corner, but they'd have to be easier to find than a 1940s Chev unit.
I doubt you'd find one of these 'boxes on every second street corner, but they'd have to be easier to find than a 1940s Chev unit.
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1 month 3 weeks ago #253932
by Lang
Replied by Lang on topic 1946 GMC ute
The problem with them is they have bolt-on transfer cases and it requires engineering to make 2WD adapter.
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1 month 3 weeks ago #253937
by Mrsmackpaul
Your better to die trying than live on your knees begging
Replied by Mrsmackpaul on topic 1946 GMC ute
Dunno about bell housings and bolt patterns
Marks 4x4 made bellhousings for small block chev to Toyota Dyna, you could also buy a adapter to fit the cruiser transfer case to the Dyna 5 speed
Anyway, the Dyna has a really good overdrive and is already 2wd
Paul
Marks 4x4 made bellhousings for small block chev to Toyota Dyna, you could also buy a adapter to fit the cruiser transfer case to the Dyna 5 speed
Anyway, the Dyna has a really good overdrive and is already 2wd
Paul
Your better to die trying than live on your knees begging
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1 month 3 weeks ago #253944
by roKWiz
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Replied by roKWiz on topic 1946 GMC ute
Nice project. I reckon Dellow and Rod Hatfield would have bellhousings to suit similar vintage swaps.
MrsMack, if the Dyna I'm thinking of is the same as the Daihatsu of the same (85-95) era, they had a great overdrive but 3rd and 4th felt like they needed an extra gear between. You either ran up a long hill totally wiping your speed to slowly climb in 3rd, or try and lug the bloody thing up in 4th..
Hopefully they improved after that time.
MrsMack, if the Dyna I'm thinking of is the same as the Daihatsu of the same (85-95) era, they had a great overdrive but 3rd and 4th felt like they needed an extra gear between. You either ran up a long hill totally wiping your speed to slowly climb in 3rd, or try and lug the bloody thing up in 4th..
Hopefully they improved after that time.
Heritage Stonemason
In order that the labour of centuries past may not be in vain during the centuries to come... D. Did
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1 month 3 weeks ago #253950
by Morris
I have my shoulder to the wheel,
my nose to the grindstone,
I've put my best foot forward,
I've put my back into it,
I'm gritting my teeth,
Now I find I can't do any work in this position!
Replied by Morris on topic 1946 GMC ute
Lang,
Dellow is Dellowconversions.com.au
37 Daisy Street, Revesby, NSW 2212
02 9774 3873 or 02 9774 4419
Rod Hadfield (Not Hatfield)
is Castlemaine Rod Shop
37 Blakeley Road
Castlemaine, Vic. 3450
or Rod Hadfield Museum,
Chewton, Vic.
Dellow is Dellowconversions.com.au
37 Daisy Street, Revesby, NSW 2212
02 9774 3873 or 02 9774 4419
Rod Hadfield (Not Hatfield)
is Castlemaine Rod Shop
37 Blakeley Road
Castlemaine, Vic. 3450
or Rod Hadfield Museum,
Chewton, Vic.
I have my shoulder to the wheel,
my nose to the grindstone,
I've put my best foot forward,
I've put my back into it,
I'm gritting my teeth,
Now I find I can't do any work in this position!
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1 month 3 weeks ago #253951
by Lang
Replied by Lang on topic 1946 GMC ute
Thanks Morris, just talked to him but he can not help.
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1 month 3 weeks ago #253956
by cobbadog
Cheers Cobba & Cobbarette
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Replied by cobbadog on topic 1946 GMC ute
Years back I dealt with Jeff Dellow of then Dellow Adaptors. Great products
Cheers Cobba & Cobbarette
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Working on more play time.
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1 month 3 weeks ago - 1 month 3 weeks ago #253959
by Lang
Replied by Lang on topic 1946 GMC ute
Well, never jump to conclusions!
I could not get the suspicion out of my mind that the gearbox may have been something other than a crash box no matter how huge it is. Doing what I should have done before launching off into a replacement mission I lifted the lid and there before me lay helical gears and synchros!
A bit of research and I find I have a Muncie SM420. It appears this box is the box of choice for anyone building a period light/medium truck 40/50/60 period and highly sought after.. A few minor changes were made to turn it into the SM465 from 1968 to 1991 (mainly adjusting gear ratios for the more powerful engines in the later trucks and pickups.) I will only be using 3 gears as it has a massive 7.9:1 crawler first.
This is a financially joyous discovery and I can now plunge on with the more mundane parts of the restoration. I can just cut 6 inches out of the torque tube to get the axle back in the correct position.
Thanks to those who gave me some ideas.
I could not get the suspicion out of my mind that the gearbox may have been something other than a crash box no matter how huge it is. Doing what I should have done before launching off into a replacement mission I lifted the lid and there before me lay helical gears and synchros!
A bit of research and I find I have a Muncie SM420. It appears this box is the box of choice for anyone building a period light/medium truck 40/50/60 period and highly sought after.. A few minor changes were made to turn it into the SM465 from 1968 to 1991 (mainly adjusting gear ratios for the more powerful engines in the later trucks and pickups.) I will only be using 3 gears as it has a massive 7.9:1 crawler first.
This is a financially joyous discovery and I can now plunge on with the more mundane parts of the restoration. I can just cut 6 inches out of the torque tube to get the axle back in the correct position.
Thanks to those who gave me some ideas.
Last edit: 1 month 3 weeks ago by Lang.
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