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13 years 6 months ago #36281 by Assessor
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ok fellas whats this one???

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13 years 6 months ago #36282 by Assessor
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33 hits and no one knows??? its a company from the usa,made from 1910/1933, hometown is marion,indiana, ;)

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13 years 6 months ago #36283 by
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After your clue....

Is it an 'INDIANA' ?
Possibly a model 15..

Cheers
RS :)

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13 years 6 months ago - 13 years 6 months ago #36284 by
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I'm with Roland here. It's a 1932 Indiana truck. It's hard to pick, because it doesn't have a stock bumper, and the cabs are different on nearly every truck, even when the same make, in this era.
A large number of truck cab builders were independent from the truck factories in the early 1930's .. and buyers quite often, only bought the truck chassis, bonnet, guards and cowl, and got their own cab fitted.

Here's some pics of 1930's Indiana trucks .. www.hankstruckpictures.com/indiana.htm

The Indiana Truck Co history is interesting. They were a good brand in the late 1920's .. but Brockway Trucks were, as well. Brockways factory was at Cortland, N.Y., and was run by a Mr J.W. Stephenson.

However, Brockway were in an expansion mood in the late 1928's, and cut a deal to buy Indiana Truck Co in Feb 1928.
The combined organisation after the deal, had assets of over US$9,000,000 and sales of US$15,000,000. We're talking 1928 dollars here .. some serious money in the days when you could buy a new car for US$300.

Martin A. O'Mara, former vice-president in charge of eastern sales for White Motor Company, was elected president of Brockway, and G.A. Brockway continued as Chairman of the company, and in charge of the Cortland, N.Y., Brockway factory.
Mr. J.W. Stephenson, formerly president of the Indiana Truck Corporation, would be director and vice-president of Brockway Corporation. Mr. Stephenson would continue in charge of the Marion, Indiana plant where they built Indiana Trucks.

The combined organisation produced both Brockway trucks from the Cortland, N.Y., factory .. and Indiana trucks from the substantial Marion, Indiana, factory.
The Brockway brand name began to become the primary brand name, as Brockway models replaced Indiana models.

However, the Great Depression nearly destroyed Brockway and Indiana. Brockway tried to acquire Autocar just at the start of the Depression, but the stockmarket crash in Oct 1929 ended the deal, and Brockway shares fell to virtually nothing .. and truck sales fell away to very low numbers as well.

Martin O'Mara was charged with Brockway share manipulation, for personal gain, in late 1930. He resigned from Brockway in what appears to be an honest attempt to help Brockways rapidly deteriorating position.

Robert F. Black would succeed O'Mara as President of Brockway, in November 1930. Mr Black was formerly vice-president of Mack International.
By 1931, Brockway-Indiana production had dipped badly. The Cortland plant managed to stay open but the Marion plant's operation was sporadic.
Brockway saw no other choice but to cut their losses by selling the Marion factory, and the Indiana truck division to the White Motor Company of Cleveland, Ohio in early 1932.

The Brockway Motor Truck Corporation went into receivership in August 1932, and was re-organised as the Brockway Motor Truck Co, carrying on the business as before, using the same facilities and the same factory. The new company assumed all the debts, liabilities and policy obligations as the old company. In effect, the new company became an operating company, whilst the old company stalled its debt. In 1937, the two companies merged to just one company, under the new name.

White shut down the Marion plant in mid-1932, and transferred everything to their Cleveland plant. White continued to sell Brockway-designed Indiana trucks until they had their own design in late 1932.
The Indiana truck models were gradually replaced by White truck models, and it appears the last Indiana truck was produced in 1937.

Incidentally, a 1931 Indiana was the truck first fitted with the "new" Cummins diesel, and tested across America by Clessie Cummins himself .. and Indiana trucks were the first trucks to offer Cummins diesels as an option in 1932.

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13 years 6 months ago #36285 by Swishy
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Gudday M8

RE: Indiana trucks were the first trucks to offer Cummins diesels as an option in 1932.

FWIW
The Country's First Diesel Truck

OF ALL THE THINGS EYE MISS ................. EYE MISS MY MIND THE MOST

There's more WORTH in KENWORTH

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13 years 6 months ago #36286 by
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Swishy, you're not wrong again. If it wasn't for White purchasing Indiana, and effectively killing the chance of Cummins becoming a standard fit in the Indiana, it might have been a different story.
White had their own range of successful petrol engines, and they certainly weren't too keen on letting an opposition engine maker destroy their nice little earner.
As a result, White and Indiana buyers got the "option" of a Cummins after the 1932 takeover .. but you can bet your last dollar, White salespeople did everything they could, to discourage Cummins engine buyers.

However, I think the KW storyteller may be exaggerating a little, too. The Cummins engines were a hard sell .. and Kenworth would have been on the back foot, in specifying Cummins as standard in 1933.
To say it would have taken big balls, to settle on Cummins as standard fit, is an understatement.
Cummins diesels were much more expensive .. they required more costly maintenance when things went wrong .. and when gasoline was only a few cents a gallon .. fuel costs weren't even in the cost equation.
Tyre costs were probably double the fuel costs in those days.

Cummins engines sold like lead balloons, until the mid-1930's. There would be no Cummins engines today, if it were not for a family of altruistic bankers, by the name of Miller.
The Miller family were the financiers of Cummins Engines from 1920. They stuck with Clessie through disaster after disaster, as he tried to build and sell a marketable diesel .. and find the right market for it.

It wasn't until Clessie decided that heavy duty truck engines were the market to focus on .. and not until he produced the first H series engine .. did Cummins even look remotely successful.
The Miller family poured vast sums into Cummins on a regular basis .. purely because William G. Irwin, the banking family patriarch, believed in Clessie and his ideas.

It was 1937 before Cummins Engine Co even turned a profit .. and in that intervening 17 years, the Miller family had poured the staggering sum of $2,000,000 into Cummins, without seeing even a single cent of return.

The Cummins diesel story is one of a very painful birth, and a struggle to survive for many years. It wasn't until 1937 that automotive diesel engines finally reached an acceptance level that meant Cummins could turn a profit.
Cummins was no doubt helped, in the diesel acceptance field, by the outstanding success of the Caterpillar diesel, introduced in Sept 1931.
However, without the substantial financial backing of the Miller family, Cummins would have gone the way of many other promising engine builders .. disappeared without trace, for lack of finance for development.

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13 years 6 months ago #36287 by Assessor
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Roland gets it 1932 indiana

check out the link its a good read

www.marion.lib.in.us/commhist/indtrucks/report.html

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