why we no like jap!

Trevor, re ud's at next mack muster,if they've got a shitsu on the bonnet maybe :

Cam, dont forget WHITE was broke when V@#$o came along and it was their way of getting into the us, dropping the WHITE name cost em dearly, it's only now there making inroads,but like over here the cry still goes up "bloody V@#$0's

Disco, Gary Richards from Mack/Volvo came for a ride with me in the green White in the parade on Saturday at Beenliegh, Gary said, I'd better be carefull if someone sees me, I told him it was cool because Volvo bought White. I would have been worried about being seen in a Volvo

The bigger trucks, particularly Isuzu's, can't supply a gearbox capable of any serious torque or long-term reliability.

That's not quite true, Onetrack. In NZ all the big Jap trucks (UD, Mitsi, Hino, Isuzu) do supply a gearbox like you describe. It's called a Fuller Roadranger!!!!! All the distributors of Jappers fit it as standard equipment here.

even some of the older 8 ton hino & UDs use roadrangers

Actually Ron, Vic's right, the UD's when they where first introduced in the early 70's at 230 odd HP where not to far behind the rest, I'll admit they didn't have the torque a Mack has, though the PD6T was a plodder, and it didn't have enough power to do any damage to a 9 series RoadRanger, or those big 48,000lb diffs. There is still one working out at my cousins place, an old CW40 early 70's, and an ex Western Transport truck, 45 tonnes gross on a bogie trailer, and has given very little trouble for a great many years. I must admit, it's pretty flat out there.

another "famous" motor to use the roadranger was the 392 inter v8 petrol . . the roadranger would never wear out ! mainly because the motor had enough power(just) to turn the internals to lubricate the gears :-X






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Well .. yes .. I knew they put RoadRangers in the Jap trucks .. but that was only at the insistence of dealers and buyers here, I thought, and only after much pressuring of the Japs.
When I was talking about crap gearboxes, I was talking about Jap-built gearboxes .. and in particular, that 7 speed Isuzu POS ..
The Japs just don't build a gearbox with any serious torque capability.
Cam - hauling 45 tonnes with a single trailer, isn't road-training, in my book .. I was talking about the use of Jap trucks for road-training .. .. and yes, they'll pull a single trailer, O.K. ..

excuses excuses the japs make a good box for the job intended

i dont see what you have against ud's! my brother has an 8 tonner ( yes 8 tonner i undertand) but i think its a very reliable truck! 6 speed but it happily cruises at 110 clicks all day with out a wimper... but the main thing is reliaility and it hasnt let him down once in the 5 or so years he has had it but i think they look alot smarter than other trucks if you ask me if they got there horsepower up i think the market would explode IMO.....

my older UD (1985 cpb12) its only a 8 tonner ..but with trailer im grossing 16-17 tons . . not one mechanical problem ..except for a kit through wheel cylinders ..and the old 5 speed box its a lot stronger than what was ever in any acco i had . . although with my driver the clutch will need doing soon